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vina_pmk
09-09-2008, 10:59 PM
saya mau tanya temen temen kois kegunaan ozon di kolam buat apa ya?
biasanya ditempatkan dimana?
belli nya dimana?
minta penjelasannya.

thanks

monscine
10-09-2008, 01:14 AM
Ozon (O3) yang biasanya didapatkan dari alat ozon generator biasanya berfungsi utama sebagai penambah kandungan oksigen dalam air yang lebih bagus daripada hanya yang didapatkan dari aerator dan juga sebagai sterilisasi air karena ozon berkemampuan membunuh bakteri/virus yang bisa menyerang ikan. Ozon penggunaannya luas, gak hanya pada kolam koi, tapi pada ikan2 jenis lain juga. Dan mungkin kita masih bisa temukan penggunaan ozon pada proses filterisasi air siap minum.

Ozon dipakai seperti aerator. Utk di kolam koi saya belum tau disini dimana yg jual, tapi kalo yg utk akuarium banyak di daerah Grogol. Tapi alat ini ada masa pakainya, artinya ada bagian yg akan aus setelah sekian lama dan setahu saya tidak bisa diganti, alias harus beli alat baru lagi

spirulina
10-09-2008, 01:41 AM
Saya punya yg model kayak gini.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t253/kois_album/Induk/OZONGEN.jpg

monscine
10-09-2008, 01:49 AM
nah mumpung ada om SP, saya sekalian nanya, yg itu utk kolam brp gede om? speksifikasi dll?

spirulina
10-09-2008, 02:43 AM
seperti pada gambar ozon 500mg dipasang dikolam ukuran hingga 30ton.
kalo lihat travonya sedot daya hingga 10watt.

rvidella
10-09-2008, 09:12 AM
masa pakainya?
dan apa perbedaan before and afternya om awwal?

Dodo

KARHOMA
10-09-2008, 10:02 AM
Bisa bunuh bakteri juga?
Harga berapa dan bisa beli di mana?

arungtasik
10-09-2008, 10:28 AM
Kalo gak salah, ozon tidak bisa disemburkan langsung ke kolam pak, bisa justru berbahaya untuk ikan. Biasanya ozon dipadukan dengan protein skimmer. Kalau menurut majalah Koi Carp sih, membuat kolam jadi bening kristal kebiruan, seperti langit biru yang masih tebal lapisan ozonnya. Juga mematikan bakteri yang melewatinya. Pemakaian ozon untuk kolam air tawar (koi) banyak digunakan di Eropa (Inggris dan Jerman).

Di Koi Collection (halo Pak Sven) kayaknya tersedia untuk aneka ukuran dan kapasitas. Modelnya kalo gak salah seperti yang diposting pak Awal. Tapi Resun juga mengeluarkan produk serupa, generator ozon kapasitas 0,25 g/h, 0,35 g/h dan 2,8 g/h. Saya juga pernah pake ozon + protein skimmer untuk kolam. bekerja sangat bagus di awal-awal, gelembung busa di protein skimmer menebal dan berbau menyengat. Tapi itu hanya berlangsung sekitar 2 bulan. Setelah itu, yang keluar hanya udara biasa, seperti aerator lainnya. Mungkin memang masa pakainya hanya selama 2 bulan, jadi sekarang gen ozone itu saya pensiunkan.

Salam

chester
10-09-2008, 11:11 AM
Good point Oom Tomi, makin canggih aja makin hari.
Mungkin oom bisa upload artikelnya Malcolm Greene (Koi Waterbarn) itu. Beliau salah satu pioneer ozon DIY di Europe, and salah satu gurunya Sven :)

cheers

svenni
10-09-2008, 04:50 PM
Hi,

for the ozone there are a few points to mention. Ozone is a very agressive and dangerous substance. It can be used to sterilize water or reduce the bacteria pressure in koi ponds. I personally use ozone only to vanish the yellow/brown tint of the water. To get this done a very small dosage is needed only and the generators I use for that have a maximum capacity of 1g per hour. Using these small generators makes sure that no ozone will get into the pond. Therefore the generators should be installed in the first filter chamber. The ozone will then find enough organic matter to reduce back to oxygen before the water gets back into the pond (the chemical element 03 is very instable and it reacts (oxidizes) with any matter possible, it can only remain stable for about 20 seconds). When using the ozone generators you also need to consider that the actual ozone produced will be only 21% of the capacity mentioned on the label if you use a normal air pump. The values on the labels indicate the max. capacity when supplied with pure oxygen.

If you want to use ozone for reducing the bacteria pressure (sterilize) you need generators with higher capacity and a oxygen generator to supply pure oxygen. You also will need a control unit that regulates the ozone generator according to the Redox potential in the water. A water that is too clean (high Redox value) will be also harmful for the koi. A complete ozone management will easily cost 40-50 jt. :mrgreen:

arungtasik
10-09-2008, 05:08 PM
Good point Oom Tomi, makin canggih aja makin hari.
Mungkin oom bisa upload artikelnya Malcolm Greene (Koi Waterbarn) itu. Beliau salah satu pioneer ozon DIY di Europe, and salah satu gurunya Sven :)

Bacaan sih banyak om ricky, terutama melototin gambar koi yang tak terjangkau :( :( . Prakteknya yg masih dangkal hehehe.

chester
11-09-2008, 11:37 AM
santai saja oom Tomy, yang penting know how dan apresiasi ditumpuk terus, ikan bagus akan ada terus.
dapat rumor dari jepang bahwa ikan ikan sakai harganya akan terinflasi lumayan (price drop) di kwartal ke 3 and 4 tahun ini.

cheers

revanio
11-09-2008, 02:12 PM
santai saja oom Tomy, yang penting know how dan apresiasi ditumpuk terus, ikan bagus akan ada terus.
dapat rumor dari jepang bahwa ikan ikan sakai harganya akan terinflasi lumayan (price drop) di kwartal ke 3 and 4 tahun ini.

cheers

thx pak ricky, info yg menyenangkan hati saya yg belum bisa memiliki ikan bagus karena kendala financial :D :D :D
salam

rvidella
11-09-2008, 02:27 PM
dapat rumor dari jepang bahwa ikan ikan sakai harganya akan terinflasi lumayan (price drop) di kwartal ke 3 and 4 tahun ini.

cheers

wah boleh tahukah om rick .... menurunnya harga disebabkan apakah? apakah karena ..... over supply? huehehehehehe kebanyakan parent koi kali yah jadi anaknya hmmmmmmm
... Banyak deh ...

svenni
11-09-2008, 05:17 PM
wah boleh tahukah om rick .... menurunnya harga disebabkan apakah? apakah karena ..... over supply? huehehehehehe kebanyakan parent koi kali yah jadi anaknya hmmmmmmm
... Banyak deh ...

Hi Pak,

In June it was confirmed that Sakai had KHV in one of their green houses which hosted customer koi and Oyagoi. Sakai tried to keep this issue secret for quite a while and even after the confirmation the information policy was a pure desaster (actually there was no info or statement from them). Besides that Sakai suggested that they had catched the KHV from the last Shinkokai show and they stepped down from the chairman post at the Shinkokai. Allover they actually caused a lot of damage to their reputation and for example in Europe the market is almost dead for them.

Finally on 25th of August, the best koi breeder in the world, Hiroji Sakai, passed away (rumours say that he committed suicide).

I guess that due to bad sales the price policy will be changed to avoid the bankruptcy of this farm.

Pak Ricky, if you have any further info or if there is anything wrong about my info please correct me.

Thanks.....

chester
11-09-2008, 06:09 PM
Sven,

Some of your information are right and some are quite misleading.

I have been in close communication with Kentaro regarding next ZNA Indo show (over sponsorships, participation etc) to which he will give good supports to his Indonesian hobbyists. In fact I talked to him over phone this morning.
There is off the record reason why the price will go down but not at all for the reason to avoid the bankruptcy, and mostly because of just market sentiments only.

If Sakai drops their price, and since they are the market leader/ price trend setter, other Japanese breeders' prices will be falling from the sky as well :) Therefore plan/view your purchase well in case you wish to buy some imported fish otherwise you may find hard to sell if prices are kept going down, which is my advice as a friend and an observer.

It will be just good for the hobbyists and for the hobby itself if the current bubble up koi prices are brought down to earth. :) that's what all koi clubs are expecting for.. :lol:

KHV matters in SFF has been contained well and all affected fish have been destroyed and the affected ponds are sterilized.

cheers

monscine
11-09-2008, 08:12 PM
hmmm...yummyyy..buying time. :wink: :wink: :wink:

svenni
11-09-2008, 09:22 PM
Sven,

Some of your information are right and some are quite misleading.

I have been in close communication with Kentaro regarding next ZNA Indo show (over sponsorships, participation etc) to which he will give good supports to his Indonesian hobbyists. In fact I talked to him over phone this morning.
There is off the record reason why the price will go down but not at all for the reason to avoid the bankruptcy, and mostly because of just market sentiments only.

If Sakai drops their price, and since they are the market leader/ price trend setter, other Japanese breeders' prices will be falling from the sky as well :) Therefore plan/view your purchase well in case you wish to buy some imported fish otherwise you may find hard to sell if prices are kept going down, which is my advice as a friend and an observer.

It will be just good for the hobbyists and for the hobby itself if the current bubble up koi prices are brought down to earth. :) that's what all koi clubs are expecting for.. :lol:

KHV matters in SFF has been contained well and all affected fish have been destroyed and the affected ponds are sterilized.

cheers

Hi Pak,

thanks for the useful info :D . As far as I know the greenhouse involved also hosted a number of parent koi. Is there any estimation how far this will have an effect to the future quality of the fry? What about the famous parents like for the rose bloodline for example? Have they been among the infected koi? It is really a pitty that this incident happened. I just hope that Sakai will recover soon and will continue supplying their high-quality koi :D

Regarding the price level I totally agree with you. I think it is not the tosai segment which is so overprized but when I saw a very good nisai in Japan end of last year the minimum price was about 1 million Yen and that is simply too high. No customer will believe you, if you try to explain that :mrgreen:

Anyway, once you have further news please share it. It is really appreciated :D

monscine
12-09-2008, 08:18 AM
btw, nih yg punya thread mana ya?? adem ayem aja menyimak :D
ngikutin juga apa gak ya??

rvidella
12-09-2008, 09:08 AM
btw, nih yg punya thread mana ya?? adem ayem aja menyimak :D
ngikutin juga apa gak ya??

Itulah gunanya OZON, Bro Monscine .... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

koinia
12-09-2008, 02:27 PM
Yg punya treat sedang membayangkan dapat ikan sakai yg bagus dengan harga yg sangat amat murah

he.....he.......he........

ronyandry
12-09-2008, 06:17 PM
dapat rumor dari jepang bahwa ikan ikan sakai harganya akan terinflasi lumayan (price drop) di kwartal ke 3 and 4 tahun ini.
cheers

Hehehe...bukannya sudah kwartal ke 3 nih.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Bro Dodo..sebagai sub dealer sakai.harga dah turun belum nih :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

rvidella
12-09-2008, 10:05 PM
dapat rumor dari jepang bahwa ikan ikan sakai harganya akan terinflasi lumayan (price drop) di kwartal ke 3 and 4 tahun ini.
cheers

Hehehe...bukannya sudah kwartal ke 3 nih.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Bro Dodo..sebagai sub dealer sakai.harga dah turun belum nih :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sudah bozz ... only for u yang belum pernah ambil ikan dari saya huahahahahaha

Davkoi
17-09-2008, 02:02 PM
When using the ozone generators you also need to consider that the actual ozone produced will be only 21% of the capacity mentioned on the label if you use a normal air pump.

in your website . you have 200 mg ozone generators .
so it's mean the actual size is just 42 mg :? :? :?

svenni
17-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Hi Pak,

that's correct. The values mentioned for any ozone generator will be for supply with pure oxygen. Anyway, for vanishing the colour even the small dosage of ozone is already enough :mrgreen:

spirulina
21-09-2008, 02:43 AM
Yang pengen kolamnya bening dan cling biar nanti saya pasangkan,... di Cirebon sudah 3 loh yg pakai. 8)

koinia
01-10-2008, 04:30 PM
Yang pengen kolamnya bening dan cling biar nanti saya pasangkan,... di Cirebon sudah 3 loh yg pakai. 8)


Wah boleh dong bagi2x cara pemakaiannya dan juga penempatannya yg tidak berbahaya bagi isi kolam dan juga yg punya kolam (soalnya bisa jadi bahaya buat yg punya kolam kalau seisi kolam dalam bahaya juga, he....he......he.....)

spirulina
03-10-2008, 11:22 AM
Pasangnya dichamber pertama atau chamber settlement, tergantung dari konstruksi filternya baru akan ditentukan dimana ozon ditempatkan.
silahkan contact om Sven untuk detailnya...
info untuk pemakaian ozon ini akan mengoksidasi unsur logam jadi kalo ada besi yg terendam dan kontak dg air yg terozon besi tersebut akan berkarat. biasanya pompa submersibel dg harga murah menggunakan baut dari besi dan ini jadi penyakit buat pompa tsb baut jadi rusak berkarat.....

koinia
04-10-2008, 11:19 AM
Pak Spirulina, apakah hasil benar2x sangat maksimal??? kalau boleh tahu, apakah saja hasil yg sangat dirasakan setelah memakai ozon???

spirulina
05-10-2008, 01:57 AM
air bisa cling om, air yg tadinya kekuning2an dg pemakaian ozon ini bisa jadi bening. ozon juga kan dipakai sama perusahaan air mineral kemasan selain untuk membunuh bakteri juga menjernihkan airnya. memang sih agak beda ozon yg kita gunakan dikolam koi tidak sama dengan yg digunakan oleh perusahaan air kemasan. kalo diperusahaan air kemasan debit air juga dihitung lalu disesuaikan dengan penggunaan ozonnya.

koinia
06-10-2008, 10:50 AM
Thanks a lot for your information.

JST Koi
14-04-2021, 11:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=173gH4u8cX0

ikankoi
17-04-2021, 05:28 AM
Bagaimana kalau air yang mengandung ozone digunakan untuk karantina koi.
Apakah bagus atau kurang bagus?
Maksimal berapa lama?